Master Aleksandr Ruslanovich :
Lady Morwenna Westerne :
Mistress Caitlin Davies :
Master Justin du Coeur :
Personally, I was and am one of the stronger opponents of pay-to-play;
while I wasn't quite at the center of the whirlwind the way Tibor was, I
spent most of that year in heated arguments with a whole lot of people
all over the Society about it. (Indeed, the Grand Council of the Society
was formed partly in response to a letter I wrote to the Board on the
subject.)
I object to pay-to-play both on practical and philosophical grounds. I
could go on at *great* length on this subject, but I'll try to
summarize.
First, and most importantly, it demonstrates a fundamental lack of
understanding of the true economics of the Society. Our most valuable
coin isn't the money that gets paid to the central SCA, Inc; rather,
it's the volunteer time that is required to run the Society. P2P
endangers that volunteer base, by reducing the number of people who can
perform a task, as well as the general base of the population. It takes
the attitude that serving the Society is a privilege that you have to
pay for, which is just silly -- we desperately *need* people doing this
stuff. Charging people money in order to help is, frankly, daft.
Further, none of the arguments in favor of P2P hold much water. It was
originally enacted in order to address a financial shortfall at the
Corporate level, which proved to be an entirely illusory effect of poor
bookkeeping. It is often invoked in the name of "fairness", but
essentially argues that we want people who pay money more than people
who volunteer their time, which as I said, misunderstands how the
Society actually works. It is usually argued that we need tons of
members because the Society is so expensive to run, but that's exactly
wrong: in fact, history has shown that the Society has very poor
economies of scale, and tends to become *more* expensive per person the
more members there are. (And the vast majority of that huge budget is
simply providing membership services such as TI.) The critical expenses
of the Society (mainly the insurance policy) don't cost anywhere near
enough to justify a policy as draconian as P2P was.
What should membership be required for? It's probably a good idea for
anyone who is strongly bound to the legal side of the SCA, Inc,
primarily the Seneschal and Treasurer. And I *recommend* membership for
anyone who is heavily active: besides contributing towards the few
critical expenses, it's a good way to stay in touch with things. But I
think there are very few people who it should be *required* of. I prefer
to leave it as a matter of individual conscience, with no particular
external pressure...
Lord Diego Mundoz :
I'm not universally opposed to the idea of paid membership. I
can visualize circomstances where I would happily pay up. (The
ability to vote for BoD seats would be a major incentive.) But
right now, I hold the Society benefits more if the cost of
membership goes to a good book or a couple of leather tools.
Lady Godith Anyon :
Lady Emmanuelle de Chenonceaux :
Master Seamus Donn :
Mistress Gwendolyn of Middlemarch :
Lord Kali Harlansson of Gotland :
I feel, strongly, that the "pay to play" name is both too flip and a grave
misnomer to boot: regardless of membership, we pay to attend almost every
event anyway [see next question for a completely different facet of this],
and it is that money which pays for our "play". Anyone who comes to an event
and pays the site fee, even if not a paid member, is "playing"; someone who
sends in their money and gets a membership card, but doesn't come to events,
isn't. Money sent to Milpitas doesn't get the feast cooked, the music
played, or the pots scrubbed. The "play" depends entirely on local money and
local volunteer labor.
Which is not to say the Corporation has absolutely no merits: local money
doesn't pay for insurance, and volunteer labor won't save us from a lawsuit.
On the other hand, there are other organizational models that can address
these concerns. Add to that the secretive, deceitful, and patronizing way in
which the Board acted in making that decision, and I take rather a dim and
skeptical view of mandatory membership (my name for the policy).
That's my opinion. It's a strong one, but it's personal. Again I emphasize
that, were I Baron, my opinion would not be any more pertinent than that of
other Carolingians.
Seigneur Jehan du Lac :
Master John McGuire :
Shi Hua Fu and Lady Yelizaveta Medvedeva :
Still there needs to be some membership base in order to support the
corporate structure (and we believe there is a need for the corporate
structure). Insurance is a good thing; effective insurance that makes
sure that our officers and society as a whole are not held financially
responsible for the idiocies of others is good. The issue of current
membership requirements for certain activities came up recently on the
sca-east mailing list, so we know there's disagreement about where the
line should be drawn. In general, we think the current location of
the line is reasonable.
I am not going to answer this question. While this question was a
heated topic of discussion for the private citizens of the barony, it is
a decision of corporate policy. The baron and baroness have a many
responsibilities, great and small, however setting the membership
standards for participation in SCA events is, thankfully, not amongst them.
I am against "pay to play". I would personally encourage people who
participate in the Society to become members of the SCA, Inc. because it
gets you the newsletters, a discount on Pennsic, pays for the insurance,
and it speeds up check-in at events (flashing your blue card instead of
signing a waver). I would not insist than anyone become a member; I was
a graduate student once and know that an SCA membership can equal a
week's worth of groceries. I'd be happier about encouraging people to
become members if the rates were lower, or if the home group received
some direct financial benefit when people joined. For more than a
quarter of a century the only requirement for participation has been an
attempt at pre-17th century clothing. It was draconian of the Board to
change the rules so suddenly. However, I agree with the current
standards of requiring membership for officers (including royalty).
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I oppose "Pay to Play." There are a very few offices for which I feel
it's appropriate to require membership: King and Queen, seneschal,
chancellor of the exchequer. But I strongly oppose both "pay to play"
and "pay to fight." One of the Society's strengths is that we welcome
people who want to dabble, and those who want to come and go. Pay to
play excludes people -- and some of the people it excludes are, or could
become, our greatest assets.
One of those Big Hot-Button issues. Hopefully we can avoid getting into
arguments over this.
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I've been in the S.C.A. for 20 years; I became a member
only only to place my name before Carolingia, and there's still a
slight bitter aftertaste from doing so.
I am firmly opposed to mandatory memberships for
anything. If someone is sufficiently invested in the SCA to be King
or Baron or Seneschal, and still sees no value in a membership in
the corporation, that says something about the utility of that
membership. The SCA is not about sending a check to California. It's
about what you do in and for your group (whether you define group on
the guild, barony, kingdom, or society level).
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As a participating member of the SCA I have strong opinions on this. If you ask me when I am not a candidate for Baron, or, if successful, when I am not wearing
the Baronial coronet, I will happily discuss it at length with you. But I also firmly believe that the Baron's role is strictly with the Medieval side of the society and not the
administrative side. The most successful way to work with your officers is by keeping a strict demarcation between these two sides. So, in my view, this is very much on the
administrative side of the fence, and it is inappropriate for me to comment on it.
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I am opposed to a "pay to play" rule, that requires
you must be a member to attend an event, but I have no
problem with membership being required to hold an
office, to handle money, fight, etc.
I believe this question is very much on the Corporation / seneschalate /
mundane business side of the Society, and as such is completely outside the
Coronet's purview. That stipulated, I know there are people who think the
Coronet's opinion is still relevant, so I'll tell you.
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I autocrated a large event during that time, and my feelings on the
policy were so strong that I did not charge any site fee, so as not to
have to collect the "non-member tax." It gave the cook nightmares not to
have any reservations. I do not believe in a "pay to play" policy. I
believe that membership should be required of the corpora-mandateed
offices (which have legal existence in the real world) and that is all.
Certainly not for participants, including fighters. If you sign your
waiver, it is enough.
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I am against "Pay to Play".
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I grudgingly accept Pay to Fight.
I accept Pay to be an Officer.
Membership is a function of what you do and how you act; it has
nothing to do with paying money. (Hua Fu belongs to several
professional and industry organizations that learned this lesson.)
Such a fundamental change was counter to the SCA's atmosphere of
inclusiveness, and would have cut us off from many people who have
value to contribute to the group either because they were not able to
or were not willing to pay for the privilege.
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